Bizzare, I think you just changed gear on me a little bit...

Tiba says...

Bizzare,

I think you just changed gear on me a little bit here. From the beginning to this point the debate you and others have brought up was about "voodoo worshiping" by the people in Haiti.

You're now talking about the promotion of Haiti to the voodoo by the government.

But frankly I don't see how the government is promoting Haiti to the devil.

Bizzare, even though I am slow, but believe you me, I understand perfectly your argument, and the problem as I see it, you want me to agree with you and therefore form an alliance with you to irradicate voodoo in Haiti and get rid of it once and for all, and I can't do that.

Now hear me out for just a second.

You just accused and charged the government with the promotion of Haiti to the devil, but you failed to provide evidence of that.

Please, stay focus! you and others haved used Bois-Caiman ceremony as your evidence of the government's promotion of voodoo 204 years ago, right?

Bizzare, since you, myself, and others, were not there and present in that ceremony, but according to history, there was not a government in place in Haiti at that time. In fact, Haiti was not even a nation yet.

Now, you and others can use the argument about Aristide's declaration of voodoo as an official religion in Haiti on May 3, 2003, right?

I can agree to that.

But my counter argument would be about the country of Benin for example, that has declared voodoo as their official religion just a few years before Haiti's, and yet, Benin is doing much better economically than Haiti, and why is that?

In the United States, according to presidential hystorians and president press secretaries, did you know all presidents including the current one, Obama, use "psychics" to help them make policy decisions?

did you also know in the United States, all the investigative units in police departments use "psychics" to thelp them solve cases in their job, like to find missing persons and to find certain big time criminals?

Do you think the government and police departments throughout the United States are promoting the country to the devil (psychics do practice black magic and have aulters/badji too like voodoo priests do)?

What do you think about that?

Please don't tell me this is a different matter because this is US and therefore it's got to be better.

Vodoo is voodo and therefore it cannot be viewed as "devil/demonic/evil/satanic and plain bad in Haiti, but view it as hamless in other parts of the world where vodoo is as widely practiced as it is in Haiti.

And this is what has been my argument all along.

Bizzare, it my be hard for you to believe this, but at a certain point in my life, my attitude and feelings about voodoo were very close to yours.

I thought vodoo was only a Haitian phenomenon and no other countries on the planet even knew of voodoo, and I was wrong.

My eyes opened up after got engaged to an intensive research to write a 25-page paper about voodoo in grad school.

That changed my entire perspective and attitude that I had about voodoo because I was able to differentiate "myths from fiction, the truth from fear mongering propaganda.

I understand it now and that is the information that I have been using to counter your argument.

I am not pulling anything out of my, you know where.

I am debating you and others on this issue based on fact findings and not on fiction.

The topic is: My Prayers Over Haiti Tonight!!!
This is a reply to Msg 16506
Posted by Tiba on August 17 2009 at 8:07 AM

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Bizarre, You said "You are always saying things that are irrelevant and distorted to the debate because you are protecting yourself interest and not Haiti’s interest." I laughed so hard that almost wet my pants. What self-interest that I am pro > >
Tiba, 16-Aug-09 6:13 pm
Yes Mark taht was a good point. We need to have political and economical classes for the politicians. Politics must no longer be an art of stealing, "rempli poche" but a tool for the better ment of the people. That is what I teach people from the > >
Latousen, 16-Aug-09 6:28 pm
Tiba, Here is what I think. I am not here to defend sins of any kind because I am a man of faith and morals. Sure poverty has many sources and roots but for Haiti poverty’s root is voodoo by leadership of choice. We can punish many sins by la > >
Bizarre, 16-Aug-09 6:39 pm
Tiba I have some to say about that I have medical Doctor friend of mine in Mexico who told me that Brother if we can not eliminate the practice of voddo in the country at least we have to find ways to regulate it. Tiba when a Pedophile priest or > >
Latousen, 16-Aug-09 7:19 pm
Bizarre, the business of politics is a dirty game. I am not sure if a Godly man would have the stomach to withstand the day to day corruption of the Haitian government. The kind of leadership Haiti needs would require someone to come in and start mak > >
Mark, 16-Aug-09 8:12 pm
Ana downgraded to a tropical depression. Now lets pray for bill to do the same. (Notebookblogz Haiti) > >
Notebookblogz.com, 16-Aug-09 9:26 pm
Mark, People often go back in forth in religion as a matter of changing their mind for whatever the reason but a government system cannot change that easy or as often. As a kid I seen a guy name Bachon left voodoo for Christianity after committin > >
Bizarre, 16-Aug-09 10:05 pm
Bizzare, I think you just changed gear on me a little bit here. From the beginning to this point the debate you and others have brought up was about "voodoo worshiping" by the people in Haiti. You're now talking about the promotion of Haiti to t > >
Tiba, 17-Aug-09 8:07 am
RE: This vodoo sh.. has to go for Haitians to be free Bizzare, I am against all religion--including Voodoo. I believe in God, but I think that his name has been used by various religions to promote their personal agendas. In human histor > >
Linda, 17-Aug-09 6:37 pm
Linda, Happy to hear you believe in God and not the devils. I agree voodoo is not powerful but it can be harmful to the weak. And yes Haiti needs more jobs to keep people busy and away from having to much time on their hands to harms others. > >
Bizarre, 18-Aug-09 12:03 pm
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