Well, Sir Wilgeens, We finally agree on something. I think the...

Tiba says...

Well, Sir Wilgeens,

We finally agree on something.

I think the problem with us Haitians when discussing issues, is that we tend to talk vaguely in a vacuum, if you will, without detail, clarity, precision, and cohesiveness.

We don't give specifics.

In psychopathology this is called "jagon and legume" speech.

For example, if you pay close attention on the blog, you'll people supporting a candidate for president but could never tell you exactly why they give their support to the candidate.

For example, I had to dig it out of you by questioning about your own involvement in Haiti instead of talking about your family involvement before you were able to talk about your involvement and contribution to your country which I applaud you and command you for. I do understand, however, there are other Haitians who are also involved and who are contributing awhole lot to their country and being humble about it by keeping it secret, and I respect that to. But sometimes it's good to know there are Haitians contributing to their country in one form or the other instead of leaving the intention in the mind of many that foreigners are the only ones helping our people, our country through their "feeling good, self-esteem booster" charity programs under the banner of NGOs.

You also pointed out the neighborhood organizing in Atlanta to protect their home values by cleaning up the neighborhood.

That is a prime example of citizens/civilian/people role and function argument that I was trying so much to address.

In terms of cleaning up their neighborhood, this type of cleaning consists only of cutting their front lawn, stop neighbors from fixing cars in their driveways, etc. but it doesn't include cleaning up the streets because this is the job and responsibility of the municipality/city government.

You also talking about shipping farming tools/equipments to farmers in Haiti so they can work the land and produce again, which I agree very much, but you did not give specifics on the kinda tools/equipments to ship. If you are referring to any tools/equipments behond the premitive technology like: manchettes, pikwa, shovels, woo, that would be okay, but if you are referring to anything of the 21st century high tech farming machineries that would require intensive training and again that alone is the government's job and responsibility to import them.

Last time I heard, either the Chinese or the Japanese were going to engage in agricuture in Haiti and providing the technology for it.

Do you understand my argument?

To move a country forward it requires that the government works together with the people but each intity must be fully aware of their role and function.

In addition, to move a country forward the government must:

1) have a goal
2) have a well detailed achieveable plan to reach that goal.
3) present the plan to the people because no one can implement a plan if they don't know anything about it and the intended goal they want to achieve, and
3) provide the leadership.

A government can have the most wonderful, well detailed and achieveable plan to move the country forward but without the leadership the plan is doomed from the start.

Keep up the good work!

The topic is: ALL INVESTORS: We Are Open For Business!
This is a reply to Msg 17654
Posted by Tiba on December 5 2009 at 9:11 AM

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I have participated in missionary work (no not religious ones), but nevertheless with some NGOs which to day I even oppose some of them or that I am "somewhat: generally anti-NGOs especially foreign ones and the religious ones due to how I know they > >
Wilgeens Afrolatino Rosenberg, 5-Dec-09 12:40 am
Check this out, the second video!!! > >
Wilgeens Rosenberg, 5-Dec-09 12:45 am
Well, Sir Wilgeens, We finally agree on something. I think the problem with us Haitians when discussing issues, is that we tend to talk vaguely in a vacuum, if you will, without detail, clarity, precision, and cohesiveness. We don't give specif > >
Tiba, 5-Dec-09 9:11 am
Wilgeens Rosenberg, You see, I was not wrong after all with my posts because I was able to get you out of your comfort zone and open up a little bit and getting to know you. Just a little careful about too much of self-disclosure. You are really a > >
Tiba, 5-Dec-09 9:38 am
You also talking about shipping farming tools/equipments to farmers in Haiti so they can work the land and produce again, which I agree very much, but you did not give specifics on the kinda tools/equipments to ship. If you are referring to any tools > >
Wilgeens Rosenberg, 5-Dec-09 5:13 pm
This is a business project I am working on and it is also an investment. I still need to get all the legal paper work done which is only going to cost me roughly $10,000. I am opening up a tool renting center which I hope to become nationwide throu > >
Wilgeens Rosenberg, 5-Dec-09 5:37 pm
Wilgeens, I understand your logic very well. Long before I left Haiti I used to witness the same thing and every time I go to Haiti I keep witnessing the same thing. However, you also know how long it could take a farmer to plant, to harvest, and > >
Tiba, 5-Dec-09 5:50 pm
Wilgeens, I think you have a very good business proposition there. Why didn't I think of that? I am, however, opposing to some parts of all the 3 points propositions of the operation you listed. I think it would be much better to rent/lease t > >
Tiba, 5-Dec-09 6:17 pm
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