Zac - there is unfortunately something about debating that you...

Tiba says...

Zac - there is unfortunately something about debating that you missed in your debating class.

No offense, but maybe you we had skipped class that day.

When debating your arguments do not have to base only on facts.

There is what's called personal opinion/view/assumption/ and perception that is also acceptable.

The burden of proof rests on you to show me where I am wrong in my assessment or attack etc. etc...

I do know when not to generalize and when to do so.

You said that it is wrong to generalize and that minimizes my credibility and that makes me an ignorant and uninformed, right?

Well, my friend, it seems that your approach and defensive attack on my character tells me that I am right to generalize.

Here's my point, you and P.z. are accusing me of generalizing ALL Dominicans as the same and it is wrong.

You 2 are using this accusation as a defense mechanism to undermine my argument and shut me off, it is a common strategy people use 24/7 when they get themselves cornered with the truth.

That is always their best strategy to get out of the argument/debate.

Generalizing ALL Dominicans to be the same is an "opinion" and it is my personal opinion/view/assumption, which is based on the inaction from the general public for not standing up against the violence, the hatred, and the lynching of Haitians living in their country.

It is not scientific nor a fact finding.

It is not academically speaking a "true" statement.

Anyway, I made my case whether you like it or not. You just have to prove me wrong by pointing out some of the actions taken by the general public against what I accused them for. Don't come and rebuque my statement by calling me ignorant, uninformed, and non credible for my generalization statement.

If you cannot prove me the steps taken by the general Dominican population to stop ALL the things that I accused them for then my generalization of them does stand.

I am not here to sound politically correct.

My job is to challenge anyone and everybody on any topic/issue/subject that matters to Haiti/Haitians.

Prove me that I am wrong for putting ALL Dominican in the same basket by pointing out their activism action to stop the violence, the lynching, and the hatred of Haitians in their country and will be more than happy to make a public apology to all of them.

Until then my accusation stands tall!

The topic is: I got cut off by Haitian embassy in D. C.
This is a reply to Msg 14831
Posted by Tiba on May 27 2009 at 7:18 PM

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Now you're making more sense. I, too, acknowledged that bad things happens to Haitians in the DR. I never denied that. What I took offense to, was the blanket statement that all Dominicans hate Haitians. It's the same way, I'd take offense with a > >
P.z., 27-May-09 2:24 am
when I was in High School I took a class on how to debate and one of the things i learned was to never generalize or exaggerate in a debate. When a person begins to generalize and exaggerate statements he loses credibility. But not only that if y > >
Zac, 27-May-09 5:06 pm
Actually Zac, now your on to a separate issue. We are no longer talking about if Tiba was right to generalize or not. What you have now brought up in the discussion is the question of whether the terms "generalize" and "exaggerate" are synonymous to > >
Linda, 27-May-09 6:40 pm
Zac - there is unfortunately something about debating that you missed in your debating class. No offense, but maybe you we had skipped class that day. When debating your arguments do not have to base only on facts. There is what's called personal > >
Tiba, 27-May-09 7:18 pm
Linda i like that fact that you chose your words wisely. In reference to your examples you used the term MOST rather than ALL. Whether it's at the high school, Masters, or the Ph.D. level the definitions of generalization remain the same. Semantic > >
Zac, 27-May-09 8:29 pm
Tiba from my experience whenever someone says "no offense or I don't mean to put you down", they are in fact attempting to offend you. I say attempt because no one here can question the level of my intelligence or education and for me to get offended > >
Zac, 27-May-09 10:07 pm
Zac We seem to be going around and around on this subject and it's getting very draining and exhausting. Zac, I took offense to Rush to generalize ALL Haitians as AIDS carriers because Haiti has been taking actions over the years to reduce the > >
Tiba, 28-May-09 8:06 am
We are not saying that the people in the Dominican Republic do not like Haitians.The issue is whether or not there is a judicial system in the D.R. In civilized countries, the government is in charge of providing judicial services not the people. Wha > >
Georges Metellus, 28-May-09 9:43 am
Tiba let me just say that I'm a levelheaded guy. I do not say things to aggravate or attack you or anybody else for that matter. That's not what a debate is about. I don't take pleasure out of insulting and provoking people. I believe in being respon > >
Zac, 28-May-09 12:37 pm
let me tell some thing: he who want to say that all dominicans are racist is an ugly black idiot who think the fact he is black, it is the faute of some one. no, properly speaking haitian is more racist than dominican. what you take for racism in D.R > >
El Caribeno, 28-May-09 1:47 pm
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