Actually Zac, now your on to a separate issue. We are no...

Linda says...

Actually Zac, now your on to a separate issue.

We are no longer talking about if Tiba was right to generalize or not. What you have now brought up in the discussion is the question of whether the terms "generalize" and "exaggerate" are synonymous to each other, as you seem to think that they are?

I don't mean to put down your high school knowledge, but at the Masters and the Ph.D. level one quickly learns that those two words are not similar, and that they indicate very different things in a debate.

For example, one can easily generalize when the generalization is supported by evidence.

I gave the example of how the majority of whites in the south before the 1950s (some would say even later) were fundamentally racist.

This is a legitimate generalization that is very well documented and supported by written evidence which shows that prior to the 1950s, most whites in the south did not want blacks in their neighborhood, blacks were constantly denied jobs because of their race, and up until the 1950s separate but equal still applied in the south.

So, the fact is that one can generalize if the evidence supports it (as it does in the DR); remember, there can always be exceptions within a generalization...those are usually understood as "the exceptions to the rule." The "exceptions" are exactly that; they are the few within the majority that don't fall under the generalized rule, or in the case of the DR, are not racist.

"Exaggeration" is a whole other level of thought.

To "exaggerate" means that one has taken an issue (subject) and stretched it beyond the scope of what can be proven.

For example, one can exaggerate by saying that all white Americans now love black people because they voted for Obama.

For this to be true, a pattern of behavior showing that whites voted for Obama because they love blacks, not because they thought that it was simply a lesser evil than voting for a feeble old man, who seem to not have a clue. For this to be true, historical data or current surveys would have to show that the majority of blacks are now no longer suffering from the color of their skin, etc. etc. etc. Hence the evidence to support this statement simply does not exist at any level--at least not yet, making it an "exaggeration." An exaggeration about the DR would be to say that "since the evidence points out that people in the DR tend to be racist, they must all want to kill all Haitians..." That would be an exaggeration based on a generalized truth.

"Exaggerations" are not "generalizations;" they are not supported by the evidence, and they are unacceptable in a debate.

The two are not the same.

The topic is: I got cut off by Haitian embassy in D. C.
This is a reply to Msg 14831
Posted by Linda on May 27 2009 at 6:40 PM

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Now you're making more sense. I, too, acknowledged that bad things happens to Haitians in the DR. I never denied that. What I took offense to, was the blanket statement that all Dominicans hate Haitians. It's the same way, I'd take offense with a > >
P.z., 27-May-09 2:24 am
when I was in High School I took a class on how to debate and one of the things i learned was to never generalize or exaggerate in a debate. When a person begins to generalize and exaggerate statements he loses credibility. But not only that if y > >
Zac, 27-May-09 5:06 pm
Actually Zac, now your on to a separate issue. We are no longer talking about if Tiba was right to generalize or not. What you have now brought up in the discussion is the question of whether the terms "generalize" and "exaggerate" are synonymous to > >
Linda, 27-May-09 6:40 pm
Zac - there is unfortunately something about debating that you missed in your debating class. No offense, but maybe you we had skipped class that day. When debating your arguments do not have to base only on facts. There is what's called personal > >
Tiba, 27-May-09 7:18 pm
Linda i like that fact that you chose your words wisely. In reference to your examples you used the term MOST rather than ALL. Whether it's at the high school, Masters, or the Ph.D. level the definitions of generalization remain the same. Semantic > >
Zac, 27-May-09 8:29 pm
Tiba from my experience whenever someone says "no offense or I don't mean to put you down", they are in fact attempting to offend you. I say attempt because no one here can question the level of my intelligence or education and for me to get offended > >
Zac, 27-May-09 10:07 pm
Zac We seem to be going around and around on this subject and it's getting very draining and exhausting. Zac, I took offense to Rush to generalize ALL Haitians as AIDS carriers because Haiti has been taking actions over the years to reduce the > >
Tiba, 28-May-09 8:06 am
We are not saying that the people in the Dominican Republic do not like Haitians.The issue is whether or not there is a judicial system in the D.R. In civilized countries, the government is in charge of providing judicial services not the people. Wha > >
Georges Metellus, 28-May-09 9:43 am
Tiba let me just say that I'm a levelheaded guy. I do not say things to aggravate or attack you or anybody else for that matter. That's not what a debate is about. I don't take pleasure out of insulting and provoking people. I believe in being respon > >
Zac, 28-May-09 12:37 pm
let me tell some thing: he who want to say that all dominicans are racist is an ugly black idiot who think the fact he is black, it is the faute of some one. no, properly speaking haitian is more racist than dominican. what you take for racism in D.R > >
El Caribeno, 28-May-09 1:47 pm
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