The legislative is not telling the judiciary what

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The Legislative branch is not trying to tell the judiciary what to do. This is a clear cut case. The legislative branch has the right to appeal to the executive in order to get something done. They are not asking the president to put St Fleur in prison, they are only asking that he be let go with his accolytes.

Which is very reasonable.

The police is a hired gun, the legislative is a power recognized by the constitution.

If they can beat a lawmaker that bad, imagine what they would do to a poor citizen, something that happen every day in cite soleil.

We need to not confuse the situation, and it is not an abuse of power on the part of the legislative branch.

Once the representative identified himself as a member of the legislature, the police has a few options:

a) Escort the representative back to the proper road direction.

b) Give him a ticket for the infraction.

c) Let him go through with a warning etc.

The police opted not to do anything lawful.

It is only in Mathematics that 2 negatives create a positive, in this case the police is totally at fault.

The police all the time break the law, speeding, driving in the wrong direction etc, no one ever rough them up, and yet they are hired gun.

In Haiti and anywhere around the world senators are a force to be dealt with.

In some countries they have what you call senate police, capitol police etc.

I remained clear on my position, the representative has the high ranking police officer summoned in court and he did not show up, as a result, the lower chamber adopted a resolution, there is nothing hasty in that.

If they refused to come out as they claimed, how would they know that they know that they have illegal guns, that the car was stolen, when haitian police do not have computers in their cars in order to check such things.

Worst of all, the representative was one of them, one would have to question why they would need to treat one of their own this way.

I believe that the police break the law.

1) Violations of Human Rights should not be tolerated.

2) In any civilized country a law maker should never be treated that way.

3) If he was culpable, I do not think that the police was equipped to make such a determination.

I reiterate again, they all need to be gone, so that the police force learn once and for all that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

If the prime minister refuse, he should get a vote of censure, and appeal to the president directly to get rid of these police officers.

We can wait on the judiciary for punishment, and I do not think that they are trying to do otherwise.

In order to keep peace you have to work for justice, the police needs to understand that. No One claimed that the representative is above the law, but they have certain latitudes that a regular citizen does not have, just like the police can speed, drive in the wrong direction, side of the road without repercussion.

The legislative branch is a force to be reckoned with, they have power over the government let alone the police.

They do not have direct jurisdiction over the police, but they have it over the prime minister and the prime minister has it over the police force.

Their resolution is warranted, when ST Fleur did not appear in court, the court is a different mattter and they can wait on that. ST Fleur and his accolytes need to pack and go now, and wait for the final decisions from the judiciary in order to find out if they are going to jail or not.
The legislature has work on a few things as well The Program for Social Appeasement, many road works has initiated etc. I think you need to analyze this situation within its realm, if they were to beat the president would you say the same thing?

If they were to beat a judge would you say the same thing?

We really needs to wake up, the police is very dirty, I think that the legislature needs to go all the way with this in order to make sure that they get ride of these guys

This matter being deferred to the judicial system, I think at this point everyone is supposed to have a wait and see attitude.

We all know that there are three branches of power according to the constitution of 1987:

the executive, the legislative and the judiciary.

The independence of each of those three branches should be respected.

We have suffered too much with this tendency to believe the Executive branch has predominence over the two other ones.

Duvalier and Aristide have managed to keep the Parliament and the Justice system under their control.

The Haitian people made them understood there attitude was not suitable with democracy.

But one thing is clear, People will stand again if the Legislative branch thinks it could do the same thing for which the executive was blamed in the past.

The members of the Lower House should respect the independence of the judge appointed to establish the truth.

A representative is not above the law.

If the police officer is found guilty he should understand there are consequences for his actions.

But the parliament has no right to interfere in a judicial procedure.

The Parliament cannot take justice in his own hands.

Their should have known that their resolution has no binding effect.

A resolution is not a law. A resolution engages only the members of the Parliament.

The Prime Minister cannot fire the police officer based on the resolution voted by the Lower House.

Conservatory administrative measures such as not being able to carry a weapon or not being able to patrol the streets or make arrest can be taken against the police officer while awaiting the final judicial decision.

And also threatening the Prime Minister with a no confidence vote proves that our representatives have a lot to learn This is a singular mark of political immaturity.

We will applaud if the Prime Minister is sent home for not securing the country or for violating the constitution or for incompetence.

The Parliament should let the judge do his job and focus more on studying law proposals aimed at improving the living conditions of the Haitian People.

We have not seen anything yet.

Think about the American Congress lead by Nancy Pelosi:

in a their first 100 hours, they have passed numerous legislative acts (minimum wage, medicare, medicaid etc

We do not want to make any comparison but our parliament at least should make us believe they understand their role.

Jolibois Selondieu, January 31 2007, 10:07 AM

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It is a constitutional branch, and if the prime minister refuse to act on the legislative recommendation, that branch... read more >
Jolibois Selondieu, 30-Jan-07 3:26 pm
I mist understood what you said earlier that’s crazy if this is happening. They should definitely investigate this... read more >
Jean Batiste, 30-Jan-07 3:41 pm
On two occasions numerous members of my family were beaten by the police in Haiti back in the 90s. For no lawful... read more >
Mark, 30-Jan-07 10:41 pm
This matter being deferred to the judicial system, I think at this point everyone is supposed to have a wait and see... read more >
Trebu Patriote, 31-Jan-07 2:15 am
I sympathized with you on this awful occurence. There should not be any lawful reasons why a police officer beat... read more >
Jolibois Selondieu, 31-Jan-07 9:42 am
The Legislative branch is not trying to tell the judiciary what to do. This is a clear cut case. The legislative... read more >
Jolibois Selondieu, 31-Jan-07 10:07 am
The endless revolutions in the Caribbean I Jean Batiste agree with Mr. Selondieu completely for once. US doesn’t... read more >
Jean Batiste, 31-Jan-07 12:08 pm
You submit a formidable argument and I do agree with to some level. In any cases police brutality is unacceptable. But... read more >
Mark, 31-Jan-07 4:11 pm


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